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Book Request

Postby Worsas » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:20 am

We need Skyrim-adapted versions of "For My Gods and Emperor" and "ABC for Barbarians".

Anyone up for this?

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Re: Book Request

Postby Luxray » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:30 am

Also Skyrim-specific versions of the Fighters' Guild Charter and the Mages' Guild Charter (though those are easy)

"ABCs for Barbarians" will need new pictures, no?
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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:05 am

wild_luxray wrote:"ABCs for Barbarians" will need new pictures, no?

Let's skip "ABCs for Barbarians" for now then.

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Re: Book Request

Postby Luxray » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:44 pm

I think I will have a go at rewriting For My Gods And Emperor for our purposes.
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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:01 pm

Thankyou very much!

There are two legion forts in The Reach. One west of Markarth Side and one around the border between The Reach and Falkreath. These two are still nameless though. something fitting, but preferably withouth 'moth' at the end should be found.

We should maybe discuss the imperial cult in depth. The role of the imperial cult in Skyrim will probably be different from its role in Morrowind. I'll make an own thread for it in a second.

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Re: Book Request

Postby Luxray » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:22 pm

'Kay, I cut out most of the MW-specific stuff from the book, but it could probably do with some re-writing. It seems pretty stilted as it is. There are spaces for NPCs and fort names where they don't exist yet, Yeti will probably replace those when he (or whoever does it) gets to NPCing those places.

<DIV ALIGN="CENTER"><FONT COLOR="000000" SIZE="3" FACE="Magic Cards"><BR>
For My Gods and Emperor<BR>
A Handbook for the Imperial Cult<BR><BR>
<DIV ALIGN="LEFT"><BR><BR>
What is the Imperial cult?<BR>
<BR>
The missionary arm of the great faiths, the Imperial cult brings divine inspiration and consolation to the provinces of the Empire. The cults combine the worship of the Nine Divines, the Aedra Akatosh, Dibella, Arkay, Zenithar, Mara, Stendarr, Kynareth, and Julianos, and the Talos cult, veneration of the divine god-hero Tiber Septim, founder and patron of the Empire. Imperial cult priests provide facilities for the worship of these gods, as well as healing and blessings, at Imperial shrines in settlements throughout Skyrim. <BR>
<BR>
What is the Virtuous Life? <BR>
<BR>
Our doctrines are simple. We acknowledge the divinity of the Nine Divines: Akatosh, Dibella, Arkay, Zenithar, Mara, Stendarr, Kynareth, Julianos, and Tiber Septim. We preach the Nine Virtues: Humility, Inspiration, Piety, Work, Compassion, Justice, Ambition, Learning, and Civility. Our Emperor is the Defender of the Faith, and the Empire is the worldly working of the Divine Plan. We pledge aid and comfort to all citizens in need, and serve the Emperor and Empire at his will. <BR>
<BR>
The Imperial cults look to the Nine Divines as models for living a good and virtuous life. Each of the Nine represents different aspects of life, and how it should be lived. But the simplest statement of our doctrines is -- help and protect one another. The stronger one is, the wealthier one is, the more one bears responsibility for helping and protecting others. One's first duty, of course, is to one's fellow members of the Imperial Cult. But after that, one should help and protect any needy persons. <BR>
<BR>
We also say, "do not harm one another." It is forbidden to attack another person of the Imperial cult, and of course, forbidden to kill another member. It is forbidden to steal from another member, whether by open theft or by covert pickpocketing. It is forbidden to trespass upon the private property of another member. Break any one of these rules, and be expelled from the cult. <BR>
<BR>
How can I join the Imperial cult? <BR>
<BR>
The Imperial cult accepts all citizens of good character and earnest faith. We ask only a one-time pledge of 50 drakes to aid us in our good works. Thereafter, the only cost of membership comes when you use our health, healing, and blessing shrines -- modest fees which help us spread the blessings of the Nine to those less fortunate than ourselves. <BR>
<BR>
Cult shrines are spread throughout the Holds of Skyrim. In the Reach, look for members in Karthwasten, [XXXXXXX]moth Legion Fort, and Fort Tiber. [Subsequent Holds Here] <BR>
<BR>
What are the requirements for advancement in the Imperial cult? <BR>
<BR>
Seekers who wish to advance in the service of the Nine must dedicate time and resources to serving the cult, and must strive for personal improvement in their attributes and skills. Only the most distinguished are worthy of advancement to the higher ranks in the Imperial cults. <BR>
<BR>
To serve and glorify the Nine Divines, the faithful must cultivate a noble personality and a strong will. Respect the magical arts, especially the colleges of Restoration, Mysticism, and Conjuration. Those who swear to avoid bloodshed, to take the field unarmored to fight only with blunt weapons, are especially praiseworthy. Knowledge of enchantments and the gift of diplomatic speech are other qualities we value in our initiates. <BR>
<BR>
Imperial cult services<BR>
<BR>
You can find Imperial cult services in [XXXXX Forts Here XXXXX]<BR>
<BR>
Many Imperial cult locations have healing altars. You may pray at Imperial cult healing altars and receive blessings which cure common diseases, cure poisons, and restore damaged attributes. Non-members pay 25 drakes. New members pay 10 drakes, while higher-ranking members receive blessings free. Healing altars are found in: [XXXXX Healing Altar-Forts Here]<BR>
<BR>
Opportunities for service<BR>
<BR>
Lay healers gather ingredients for health and healing potions, and minister to the sick and hurt in poor and isolated communities. It is difficult and sometimes dangerous work, but the spiritual rewards are great. Lay healers need only the skills of the prudent traveler, being often on the road and in the wilderness, gathering herbs and potion components. They should avoid trouble where possible, and so need not be masters of the arts of war. Those interested should speak to [XXXXX NPC-In-Charge XXXXX].<BR>
<BR>
Almoners gather alms from members and friends of the faith. We depend on donations to fund most of our good works. Almoners who are successful at bringing in generous donations may rise in the ranks of Imperial Cults service. Almoners must travel in town and village, and should be skilled in persuasion and mercantile matters. Also, almoners with personal wealth are in a position to better serve the cult. Those interested should speak to [XXXXX NPC-In-Charge XXXXX]. <BR>
<BR>
A shrine sergeant helps keep order at the shrines, carries messages and packages, and sometimes escorts priests and lay servants on dangerous missions. This occasional service is ideal for bold, free-spirited adventurers. Shrine sergeants are called upon to serve the Nine with weapon, armor, and spell. New shrine sergeants are given the easiest tasks, but later, missions may demand higher levels of combat proficiency. Those interested should speak to [XXXXX NPC-In-Charge XXXXX]. <BR>
<BR>
Oracle's Quests are the most demanding of all Imperial cult missions. Only members of the higher ranks are invited to assist the Oracle, and the challenges require the skill and courage found only in heroes of legend. <BR>
<BR>
How do the Imperial cults view the other factions of Skyrim? <BR>
The Imperial cults have a very close relationship with the Imperial legions, and a friendly and supportive relationship with the Imperial Guilds -- especially the Fighters’ and Mages’ Guilds. We cannot condone the actions of the Thieves Guild, but we praise their faithful dedication to the Emperor and to Imperial culture. <BR>
<BR>


At the end of the book is a section on factions. What factions should I include? The Reachmen are probably one, and it already deals with the FG, MG, and TG. The Horme? (Though I don't know if they are going to be public enough to decry in an instructional text :) ) Suggestions would be great!
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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:24 pm

I'm already thinking about this. I agree that this must get toned for Skyrim in parts.

My thoughts:
-War and dangerous wilderness -> responsibility to help the wounded.
-cold climate -> perhaps a service that brings warm clothing to those that freeze? (maybe in place of Almoners)

-It is maybe not necessary to list the imperial pantheon. The worship of Talos (that the Nords know as 'Ysmir') and the obedience to the emperor should be stressed.
-If the last section is to be dedicated to antagonistic factions. the Horme (and their false claim against the septim-line) and the Forsworn should surely be named since imperial holdings are under their attack.
-Maybe the relation to the nord priests of the sanctuaries should be elaborated a bit. Tolerance for each other, the dialogue, agreements and disagreements.
-Relation to the College of Winterhold, the Bard College and College of the Voice respectful.
-Diverse nord groups other than Horme (Companions, bear clan, etc) are considered ruthless but honorful.

I don't know how to proceed regarding the NPC-Names and Legion Forts. The latter are the bigger problem since it is not clear where they are going to get placed. We could make a draft for this though and include it in the location map for Skyrim. Only has to get taken into account later. The same for the NPC's which is less problematic.

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Re: Book Request

Postby Luxray » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:41 pm

Good ideas there Worsas, I will have at it. Thanks.
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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:48 pm

Okay, I have the following idea:

We skip the the following sections: 'Opportunities for service', 'How can I join the Imperial cult?' and 'What are the requirements for advancement in the Imperial cult?'
http://www.imperial-library.info/conten ... nd-emperor

And we make the imperial cult of Skyrim non-joinable. Instead it will only be a faction that is present and offers services. So we'd only have to make up the service- and altar-locations which I think we may be able to manage.

My thoughts are simply these: We're going to have enough factions to flesh out as joinable factions. We can only take advantage of saving us the work of making all the quests for another faction that is more or less only added for consistency.

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Re: Book Request

Postby Luxray » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:24 pm

I approve of this idea. The quests in vanilla were pretty uninteresting to be honest, we're not even losing much and saving ourselves work. [And then we can concentrate on Nordic gods on the religion front.]
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Re: Book Request

Postby Luxray » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:23 pm

Alright. Here's attempt #2, let me know what you think.

For My Gods and Emperor
A Handbook for the Imperial Cult

What is the Imperial Cult?
The Imperial Cult promulgates the official religion of the Empire in each of its provinces. The Cult worships the Imperial pantheon – it is comprised of the cults that venerate the Eight Divines as well as the god-hero Tiber Septim, also known as Talos, or Ysmir. Imperial cult priests maintain shrines throughout Skyrim, where worship can be undertaken and healing can be had.

What is the Virtuous Life?
Our doctrines are simple. We acknowledge the divinity of the Nine, and live by the Nine Virtues -- Humility, Inspiration, Piety, Work, Compassion, Justice, Ambition, Learning, and Civility. The Emperor is the Defender of the Faith, and the Empire is the worldly working of the Divine Plan; we are loyal to the Emperor and Empire in all things.
The Imperial cults look to the Nine as models for living a good and virtuous life. Each of the Nine represents different aspects of life, and how it should be lived.
We practice the Virtues by offering aid to those citizens who need or ask for it. Skyrim is a harsh and cold place, and all citizens of the Empire should help and protect one another, whether that is by offering shelter or by treating wounds from strife. Needless to say, the stronger one is, the wealthier one is, the more one bears responsibility for helping and protecting others.

Imperial cult services
Many Imperial cult locations have healing altars. You may pray at Imperial cult healing altars and receive blessings which cure common diseases, cure poisons, and restore damaged attributes. We ask only a modest fee when they are used, which helps us spread the blessings of the Nine to those less fortunate than ourselves.
Our shrines are spread throughout the Holds of Skyrim. In the Reach, look for members in Karthwasten, [fort near Markarth], and Fort Tiber. {[Subsequent Holds Here]}

How do the Imperial cults view the other factions of Skyrim?
The Imperial cults have a very close relationship with the Imperial legions, and a friendly and supportive relationship with the Imperial Guilds -- especially the Fighters’ and Mages’ Guilds. We cannot condone the actions of the Thieves Guild, but we praise their faithful dedication to the Emperor and to Imperial culture.
We have only respect for the members of the Imperial College of the Voice, who aim to further the goals of the Empire through their training. We also respect the members of the College of Winterhold, whose research and study into the magickal arts are to the benefit of all, when disseminated freely.
The Cult praises the faith of those who tend the Nordic sanctuaries throughout Skyrim, sacred places dedicated to members of the native Nordic pantheon. Many of those venerated are in common with those done so by the Cult. Whilst it is true the relationship between some followers of the sanctuaries and the Cult has been difficult in the past, we honor their commitment and do not wish for true enmity.
We also hold esteem for those who enter the Bards' College in Haafingar, that their training may lead them to spread the culture and virtues upon which the Empire is founded.
We decry in the strongest possible terms the actions of local rebellions. The Horme’s false claim against the Septim line is an attack on Emperor and Empire, and so directly acts against the Cult. Likewise, the Forsworn native to the Reach have conducted violence against Imperial holdings in Skyrim, and we can in no way approve of their actions.
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Re: Book Request

Postby Yeti » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:35 am

Worsas wrote:Okay, I have the following idea:

We skip the the following sections: 'Opportunities for service', 'How can I join the Imperial cult?' and 'What are the requirements for advancement in the Imperial cult?'
http://www.imperial-library.info/conten ... nd-emperor

And we make the imperial cult of Skyrim non-joinable. Instead it will only be a faction that is present and offers services. So we'd only have to make up the service- and altar-locations which I think we may be able to manage.

My thoughts are simply these: We're going to have enough factions to flesh out as joinable factions. We can only take advantage of saving us the work of making all the quests for another faction that is more or less only added for consistency.



Just posting here to say I approve of this too. There are plenty of more interesting factions we can develope on in Skyrim, and since we're probably going to be short on questers for the forseeable future, we can benefite from having one less faction to plan.

Also, I just want to say that I haven't forgotten the patch for our Beta release. I'm slowly working on it. Slowwwwllly 8-)
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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:48 am

wild_luxray wrote:Alright. Here's attempt #2, let me know what you think.

For My Gods and Emperor
A Handbook for the Imperial Cult

What is the Imperial Cult?
The Imperial Cult promulgates the official religion of the Empire in each of its provinces. The Cult worships the Imperial pantheon – it is comprised of the cults that venerate the Eight Divines as well as the god-hero Tiber Septim, also known as Talos, or Ysmir. Imperial cult priests maintain shrines throughout Skyrim, where worship can be undertaken and healing can be had.

What is the Virtuous Life?
Our doctrines are simple. We acknowledge the divinity of the Nine, and live by the Nine Virtues -- Humility, Inspiration, Piety, Work, Compassion, Justice, Ambition, Learning, and Civility. The Emperor is the Defender of the Faith, and the Empire is the worldly working of the Divine Plan; we are loyal to the Emperor and Empire in all things.
The Imperial cults look to the Nine as models for living a good and virtuous life. Each of the Nine represents different aspects of life, and how it should be lived.
We practice the Virtues by offering aid to those citizens who need or ask for it. Skyrim is a harsh and cold place, and all citizens of the Empire should help and protect one another, whether that is by offering shelter or by treating wounds from strife. Needless to say, the stronger one is, the wealthier one is, the more one bears responsibility for helping and protecting others.

Imperial cult services
Many Imperial cult locations have healing altars. You may pray at Imperial cult healing altars and receive blessings which cure common diseases, cure poisons, and restore damaged attributes. We ask only a modest fee when they are used, which helps us spread the blessings of the Nine to those less fortunate than ourselves.
Our shrines are spread throughout the Holds of Skyrim. In the Reach, look for members in Karthwasten, [fort near Markarth], and Fort Tiber. {[Subsequent Holds Here]}

How do the Imperial cults view the other factions of Skyrim?
The Imperial cults have a very close relationship with the Imperial legions, and a friendly and supportive relationship with the Imperial Guilds -- especially the Fighters’ and Mages’ Guilds. We cannot condone the actions of the Thieves Guild, but we praise their faithful dedication to the Emperor and to Imperial culture.
We have only respect for the members of the Imperial College of the Voice, who aim to further the goals of the Empire through their training. We also respect the members of the College of Winterhold, whose research and study into the magickal arts are to the benefit of all, when disseminated freely.
The Cult praises the faith of those who tend the Nordic sanctuaries throughout Skyrim, sacred places dedicated to members of the native Nordic pantheon. Many of those venerated are in common with those done so by the Cult. Whilst it is true the relationship between some followers of the sanctuaries and the Cult has been difficult in the past, we honor their commitment and do not wish for true enmity.
We also hold esteem for those who enter the Bards' College in Haafingar, that their training may lead them to spread the culture and virtues upon which the Empire is founded.
We decry in the strongest possible terms the actions of local rebellions. The Horme’s false claim against the Septim line is an attack on Emperor and Empire, and so directly acts against the Cult. Likewise, the Forsworn native to the Reach have conducted violence against Imperial holdings in Skyrim, and we can in no way approve of their actions.


I like almost all of it. Only the beginning does not sound apropriate for a religious writing, even if written by the imperial cult. 'Official religion' and 'imperial pantheon' do not sound like terms the cult would use to present itself. The vanilla-beginning does it better. If nothing jumps to your mind, you could return to using the first paragraph of the original.

which helps us spread the blessings of the Nine to those less fortunate than ourselves

perhaps "to the darkest corners of the province" or "to those that are in need". I can't think of anything better right now.

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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:53 am

Screw what I said.

Reading through it again, it may just be the right thing for what we want to do with the imperial cult. It was too late for me that evening.


Our shrines are spread throughout the Holds of Skyrim. In the Reach, look for members in Karthwasten, Taurus Hall, and Fort Tiber. In Haafinheim, shrines are to be found in the City of Solitude and Fort Northwatch. The Hold of Falkreath contains imperial cult places in the City of Falkreath and Neugrad Watch.

Further imperial cult locations are found in: Whiterun; Helgen; Winterhold; Fort Kastav; Windhelm; Fort Mistwatch; Riften and Greenwall

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Re: Book Request

Postby Luxray » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:59 pm

I like the fort names in that paragraph. Rather than 'imperial cult places' I would say 'cult facilities' as I think it reads a bit better. So, if you are agreeable, the text below can be considered final. [I don't think there are any grammatical or spelling mistakes, and all text should be fully Americanized.]

For My Gods and Emperor
A Handbook for the Imperial Cult

What is the Imperial cult?
The Imperial cult promulgates the official religion of the Empire in each of its provinces. The cult worships the Imperial pantheon – it is comprised of the cults that venerate the Eight Divines as well as the god-hero Tiber Septim, also known as Talos, or Ysmir. Imperial cult priests maintain shrines throughout Skyrim, where worship can be undertaken and healing can be had.

What is the Virtuous Life?
Our doctrines are simple. We acknowledge the divinity of the Nine, and live by the Nine Virtues -- Humility, Inspiration, Piety, Work, Compassion, Justice, Ambition, Learning, and Civility. The Emperor is the Defender of the Faith, and the Empire is the worldly working of the Divine Plan; we are loyal to the Emperor and Empire in all things.
The Imperial cults look to the Nine as models for living a good and virtuous life. Each of the Nine represents different aspects of life, and how it should be lived.
We practise the Virtues by offering aid to those citizens who need or ask for it. Skyrim is a harsh and cold place, and all citizens of the Empire should help and protect one another, whether that is by offering shelter or by treating wounds from strife. Needless to say, the stronger one is, the wealthier one is, the more one bears responsibility for helping and protecting others.

Imperial cult services
Many Imperial cult locations have healing altars. You may pray at Imperial cult healing altars and receive blessings which cure common diseases, cure poisons, and restore damaged attributes. We ask only a modest fee when they are used, which helps us spread the blessings of the Nine to those less fortunate than ourselves.
Our shrines are spread throughout the Holds of Skyrim. In the Reach, look for members in Karthwasten, Taurus Hall, and Fort Tiber. In Haafinheim, shrines are to be found in the City of Solitude and Fort Northwatch. The Hold of Falkreath offers cult facilities in the City of Falkreath and Neugrad Watch. Further Imperial cult locations are found in Whiterun, Helgen, Winterhold, Fort Kastav, Windhelm, Fort Mistwatch, Riften, and Greenwall.

How do the Imperial cults view the other factions of Skyrim?
The Imperial cults have a very close relationship with the Imperial legions, and a friendly and supportive relationship with the Imperial Guilds -- especially the Fighters’ and Mages’ Guilds. We cannot condone the actions of the Thieves Guild, but we praise their faithful dedication to the Emperor and to Imperial culture.
We have only respect for the members of the Imperial College of the Voice, who aim to further the goals of the Empire through their training. We also respect the members of the College of Winterhold, whose research and study into the magickal arts are to the benefit of all, when disseminated freely.
The cult praises the faith of those who tend the Nordic sanctuaries throughout Skyrim, sacred places dedicated to members of the native Nordic pantheon. Many of those venerated are in common with those done so by the Cult. Whilst it is true the relationship between followers of the sanctuaries and the cult has been difficult in the past, we honor their commitment and do not wish for enmity to continue.
We decry in the strongest possible terms the actions of local rebellions. The Horme’s false claim against the Septim line is an attack on Emperor and Empire, and so directly acts against the cult. Likewise, the Forsworn native to the Reach have conducted violence against Imperial holdings in Skyrim, and we can in no way approve of their actions.
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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:42 pm

Yes, I like this.

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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:30 pm

The following three books are still required:

Fighters Guild Charter
Mages Guild Charter
Ordo Legionis

The charters are relatively easy. I would simply leave out the listing of the locations as there will be too many to know about just yet and anything else is general enough to be kept the way it is. So there is no need to make up something new. But I'll still have a look at TR-versions to look if there is anything useful for us.

Ordo Legionis is a bit more work, but still much less than "For My Gods and Emperor".

If we want, we could still write an equivalent for "Honor Among Thieves" but we can also do without, if needed.

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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:41 pm

Ordo Legionis

The most disciplined and effective military force in history, the Imperial Legions preserve and enforce order and rule of law all over Tamriel. Being the iron fist of Empire and Emperor the Legions fight whereever crime and barbarism rise against lawful rule. Each capable man or woman who wishes to learn in the art of warfare is welcomed to join our ranks.

You will find numerous legion garrisons all over Skyrim. In the western holds Fort Tiber and Taurus Hall guard over the political balance of The Reach. Fort Northwatch and Solitude Legion Fort in Haafinheim contain among the best-trained units of the province. Fort Neugrad in Falkreath is a preferable site for those seeking enlistment in the Legion.

Further east you will find facilities of recruitment in Fort Helgen at the Pale Pass and Fort Greenwall in The Rift. Fort Kastav in Winterhold and Fort Mistwatch in Eastmarch are at full complement. A garrison stationed in Whiterun supports the native Nord troups in defense of the city. Only experienced legionnaires should consider joining these garrisons.

The Legion selects candidates on the basis of superior endurance, the soldierly virtue, and trustworthy personality, the citizen's virtue, for service in the Legion is the model for the duties of Imperial citizenship. Troopers are expected to demonstrate mastery of the long blade, the spear, and blunt weapons. Legion troops train with shield and heavy armor, and so must be skilled at blocking and moving in heavy armor.

As a trooper or knight, you must master the long blade, spear, and blunt weapons. You must block whatever blows you can, and take unblocked blows upon your heavy armor. Recruit must also be proficient at athletics, both to march long distances with heavy packs, and to advance and maneuver, charge and retreat on the field of battle.

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Re: Book Request

Postby Luxray » Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:19 pm

Very nice, Worsas! I like it a lot. Just a few grammar-things.

paragraph 1, should probably have a comma after Emperor.

paragraph 3, 'troups' - troops
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Re: Book Request

Postby Worsas » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:50 pm

Thanks for looking over it. :) I'll consider this done then, if nobody has objections left.

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